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MemeFirst: New York real-estate prices explained -- MemeFirst December 01, 2005 New York real-estate prices explained The 2.2 million jobs in Manhattan pay, on average, $2,025 per week . (You know that feeling you get when you find out you're below average? I've been having that for years.) Manhattan is 22 square miles, which means that the island of Manhattan pays, on average, $378 per square foot per year . And that includes Washington Heights. Posted by Felix at 02:54 PM GMT All proceeds go to MSF -- Comments #1 Pity we can't all work for Goldman Sachs. Posted by: Gherimiah on December 1, 2005 03:28 PM #2 I'll happily defer to someone with a firmer grasp of stats on this, but in the meantime, I wonder, does that average income number tell you very much? Given the massive disparity in Manhattan incomes, between, say, the dishwasher and the hedge-fund owner, which surely are among the widest in the country, wouldn't you also need to know the distribution of the data points? At a minium, wouldn't you want also to know the median income? Also, is this net or gross? Article talked about paychecks, which could probably mean either. Posted by: Matthew on December 1, 2005 04:36 PM #3 Oh, and also, Felix, presumably the 2.2 million people with jobs in Manhattan don't all live there, so your extrapolation doesn't wash. Posted by: Matthew on December 1, 2005 04:38 PM #4 Obvs mean incomemedian income, and I'd be surprised if more than 40% of Manhattanites made above average. Probably less. But even so. And actually, the fact that there are 2.2 million jobs to 1.5 million people in Manhattan actually only serves to exacerbate the demand-supply imbalance when it comes to real estate. Posted by: Felix on December 1, 2005 04:53 PM #5 I hate to be the one to break this to you, Felix, but nearly all residential housing in Manhattan consists of multi-story buildings. The salary range you describe explains real estate prices in Westchester County, NY and Bergen County, NJ to about the same degree as prices in Manhattan. Posted by: Sterling on December 1, 2005 07:05 PM #6 How delightful that the discussion of property prices one is sometimes unable to defuse at dinner parties just carries on here - almost as if taunting one with its dreary ineluctability. And how nice that Felix should bring along his no doubt expert appreciation of statistical lore. The one thing I am missing is the crucial evaluation of bedbug incidence as it affects property prices in Manhattan. In another thread, Betty has said this bedbug malarkey is all a plan of Bush's. For myself, I prefer to recall that bedbugs tend to originate in Belgium. Schtumm for now. More on this later. Posted by: Claude de Bigny on December 1, 2005 08:40 PM #7 Also, this seems to imply that everyone pays all of their income for housing, which is hopefully not the case. To be more realistic (ignoring the issues rightly brought up by the other commentators, including whether all of those people actually live in Manhattan and whether you can just take the sq ftge of Manhattan as the residential sq ftge), say people on average spend 40% of their income on housing. That gets your income for housing per sq ft to around $151. Posted by: Susan on December 1, 2005 09:14 PM #8 Susan and Sterling, you are embarassingly confused. What percentage of real estate in Manhattan is used for housing? According to this http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/landusefacts/landuse_tables.pdf (in case you are confused by the graph, the percents sum together veritcally and the land area sum horizontally). And even assuming that all "Mixed Residential and Commercial" was used for housing, less than 38% of the land in Manhattan is for housing. These data certainly allow for the idea that much of rent paid in Manhattan is for commercial use, and even then, a considerable percent is used for public space (Central Park alone is 10% of the area of Manhattan). Anyway, the amount people earn in a particular location is not directly related to the amount the people who live there earn, or the amount the people live there pay for rent. Look at this site: http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/saipe/index.html The direct link is unavailable, but the Median household income for New York County was 43,573. Nassau County on the other hand is more than 71,000. In which place is it cheaper to rent by the foot? Posted by: Andrew on December 2, 2005 07:22 AM #9 I don't think I'm confused. My points are: a) there is actually quite a bit more than 22 square miles of residential floor space in Manhattan because of vertical construction b) a lot of upper-income Manhattan workers live outside Manhattan, and their buying power lifts prices in tony bedroom communities Posted by: Sterling on December 3, 2005 03:38 PM #10 OK, Sterling, let's do it your way. Assume that each of the 1.5 million residents of Manhattan has 400 square feet to call their own: that works out to 1200 square feet for the average family of three and 1600 square feet for the average family of four. Generous, I'd say. That comes out to 600 million square feet of residential real estate in Manhattan. Using that figure, my calculation actually comes out slightly higher : $386 per square foot per year, rather than $378. What makes you think that there's more than 22 square miles of residential floor space in Manhattan? As for your point b, I fail to see how it is in any way germane. Posted by: Felix on December 3, 2005 11:09 PM #11 OK, 22 square miles equals about 613,324,800 square feet. That would leave each of Manhattan's 1.5 million residents with 409 square feet of living space. But I don't believe that most Manhattan residents are actually so deprived, especially when you take into account common areas in apartment buildings such as laundry facilities, hallways, lobbies, etc. I'd be surprised if the average wasn't at least 600, and it's probably more than 800. And besides, that's not what you originally meant - you were dividing Manhattan's land footprint and not taking into account its vertical expansion. As for the second point, I suspect there's a strong tendency among $100,000 - $1,000,000 per annum Manhattan earners - which is well-off to wealthy-on-a-budget - to live in places like Valhalla and Ho-Ho-Kus, especially if they're married with kids. Family-flight in turn increases the average per-capita-square-footage of the Manhattan residential footprint through bleed-off of children. Posted by: Sterling on December 4, 2005 02:29 AM #12 Sterling jumped the shark so long ago it's probably not surprising, but for those of you keeping score at home, he really did just say that the average Manhattanite has 800 square feet of their own. So if you're an average person living with 2 roommates, that means you're in a 2400 square foot apartment. In Manhattan. Yeah. Oh, and that 350 square foot apartment you've got? It's not 350 square feet at all, it's probably more than 4000 square feet. You're just not including the lobby and all the hallways. Posted by: Felix on December 4, 2005 02:43 AM #13 My claim is that the amount of residential-zoned floor space in Manhattan probably works out to between 600 and 800 square feet per resident of Manhattan. You're not only challenging this, but asserting that my claim is absurd. Sure you wanna do that? Posted by: Sterling on December 4, 2005 02:59 AM #14 I've tried to find the statistic, but to no avail. It seems that while office space inventor is measured in square footage, residential space is simply measured, in all documents, by units. But we can work with that. So far I've learned that 82% of zoned lots in Manhattan are residential, making up about 280,000,000 square feet, which includes permanently undeveloped spaces like yards and gardens. If the average height of development across all that land is four stories, then, we're looking at about 750 square feet per person. I've also learned that in 1999 there were about 727,000 residential units in Manhattan , which means that the average unit houses two people. So those three-roomies crammed into one 800-square-foot-tenement-with-the-bathtub-in-the-kitchen examples are mostly fiction. Which is a shame because I get a tingle from the mental picture of Manhattan twenty- and thirty-somethings living in cramped, dingy conditions. If we divide the total residential land area by the total number of units, we get 385 square feet, which works out to 192.5 square feet per person, assuming no dwellings above one story in height and no unimproved/vacant land. If the average height is assumed to be four stories, in this scenario we get about 770 square feet per person. Here's a report from Prudential Douglas Elliman that details its 1Q 2005 sales. Units sold averaged 1,334 square feet, which divided by two yields 767 square feet per person. Breaking it down further we find co-ops averaging 1,197 square feet, condos at 1,496 square feet, luxury at 2,921 and loft at 2,145. So that's 598.5 square feet per person at the low end all the way up to 1,460.5 at the top. There's three separate analytical models for you Felix, all of which yield per-person square footage of 750 or better. I admit they're not all that fleshed out, but I'm stuck inside with a cold watching The Taking of Pelham One-Two-Three on DVD, and I'm disinclined to dig deeper. But you're welcome to. Posted by: Sterling on December 4, 2005 04:04 AM #15 Sterling: do your calculations include infrastructure or is the 280MM number a percentage of raw space? Building density is higher here than anywhere else in America, but 15% to circulation (in buildings and streets themeselves) would be an easily defended metric. Counting hallways in urban residential structures is like counting sidewalks as part of sf for suburban homes. As much Sterling does sound like a set designer for Friends, Felix, I gotta say, of the 25 or so apartments of people that I can definitely make an estimate of size, we average 500 sf easy. Most everyone is a half a standard tenement lot (25 x 25), with a couple of lofts and post-war, large-scale developments thrown in. This is skewed because many of them are single (I live in a 2bd alone) or have rent-controlled apartments from way back. Posted by: 99 on December 4, 2005 07:19 PM #16 Where does your 280m sq ft number come from? Your first two calculations are based on it, so I'd like to know. (They're also based on a multiplier of 4, which as far as I can tell came pretty much out of thin air.) As for apartment sales, in Manhattan individual condos and coops tend to be much larger than the apartments inside rental buildings. So if you look just at sold apartments as opposed to rented apartments, you're going to get a skewed figure. What's more, if a 3800-square-foot brownstone in Harlem, say, is sold and then the downstairs floor is rented out, that still counts as a 3800 square foot deal under these figures. Posted by: Felix on December 4, 2005 09:21 PM #17 The multiplier of 4 was back-of-envelope guess. The 280,000,000 number came from this PDF . Sorry, thought I'd linked to it initially. As for rental apartments being smaller than privately owned condos or co-ops...not sure I buy that. But even if it's true, how much smaller could they be? 10%? Doesn't really matter. You can apologize any time now. Posted by: Sterling on December 4, 2005 10:06 PM #18 if anyone is real curious why not pony up the $250 to get a list of every tax lot in the city? http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/bytes/applbyte.shtml in the meantime, simply because i am tired of having to read sterlings pontifications about things he knows anything about, i downloaded a list of all the residential tax lots from 14th street and below from propertyshark. only 14th street and below, because after 6000+ entries, i became bored. 14th street down is a good representative sample of the 99000+ residential tax lots in manhattan. it includes spacious luxury lofts of tribeca, tenements of the les, projects on the eastside, high rise high density battery park and half building condo conversions of downtown (note that a rental bldg with multiple units counts as a single tax lot with the number of units listed as a seperate data field). the average unit size works out to 1100sf with 590sf per person (based 2000 census population stats for 14th st & below). this includes all common space in a building as it is based on total building size for single tax lot (rental) buildings and counts common space tax lots for condo buildings (read lobbies, circ, etc.) multiplying back out by the 2000 census population numbers for manhattan of 1,537,195... we get 906,945,050sf of residential space in manhattan. let's call that an even 9Bsf since the city lists 3800 acres of lot area in manhattan (165,500,000sf), that gives a rough overbuild factor of 5.5. this will obviously skew higher with the ues & uws densities without actually affecting the sf/person. summary- -590sf of residential per person (inclusive of common areas). close to sterlings low estimate of 600, but nowhere near the 800sf -1100sf average size per unit (inclusive of common areas). again close to sterlings guess based on broker mumbojumbo, but still below the stated average. -9Bsf of residential space in manhattan sterling- close on your numbers, but not nearly close enough to be quite so pompously smug. stick to things you know about, like why bush is a foreign policy genius. felix- remind me what this related to? Posted by: geoff on December 5, 2005 12:34 AM #19 Geoff - The only reason I was pompously snug is because Felix had reacted to to my estimates with such comedic outrage. Also, I don't think 14th St. and below is a good representative sample. Newer and I suspect more spacious high-rises make up a much larger proportion of housing from the 30s up through the low 100s. So I'm sticking with 600+. I suspect the actual number is around 750, as stated above. As for your justification of your work - "simply because i am tired of having to read sterlings pontifications about things he knows anything about" - I'm not sure what it means. Perhaps you meant to write "nothing" instead of "anything"? I'm not claiming to be right all the time - I am not right all the time. I am, however, pretty much always right whenever Felix gets all worked up and tells me I have no idea what I'm talking about. Thanks for your small role in marking off another example for me to throw back at him at some future date. Posted by: Sterling on December 5, 2005 06:19 AM #20 Renter-occupied apartments are much smaller than owner-occupied apartments. And as the PDF you yourself linked to shows (see page 24), the vast majority of apartments in Manhattan are renter-occupied. Think about it: one needs maybe 350 sq ft per person to live in some reasonable comfort. Beyond that, you're shelling out extra cash for extra space. Owners are happy doing that because they have 100% equity in that space: everyone has heard the advice that they should buy the biggest apartment they can afford. Renters, on the other hand, are simply giving away thousands of dollars in rent every month, with nothing at all to show for it. So they tend to go not for the biggest apartment they can afford, but rather the cheapest apartment they find adequate. Put it this way: Manhattan is full of individuals spending an enormous proportion of their income on outsize mortgage payments. Almost everyone, when they move from renting to buying, sees their monthly housing costs rise substantially. If you move to Manhattan and have a relatively low income, then you might spend a crazy amount of it on rent, it's true. But if your income is average or higher (and remember that average is $2,025 per week), I very much doubt that your rent is making nearly as much of a dent in your paycheck as it would if you owned your own apartment. You reach a standard of living you're comfortable with, and you stop. Anything beyond that is money which you could otherwise spend on clothes, or travel, or restaurants. Whereas if you buy , you're not spending so much as investing. The only money which you're really spending is the interest on your mortgage -- and even that comes with a tax deduction. Or let's put it another way. That Elliman report you linked to has an average sales price of $1.21 million. A typical rental yield in Manhattan these days is 4%, so if rentals were functionally identical to owner-occupied apartments, which you seem to assume, then the average rent in Manhattan would be over $4,000 a month. In fact, of course, it's nowhere near that. Posted by: Felix on December 5, 2005 06:55 AM #21 There's the shark, and then there's the A train. Sterling's Manhattan clearly stops at 96th street. Sterling, dear, north of that bright white line, the housing stock is incredibly stable and consistent in terms of size and layout. Harlem is just now getting it's first 'luxury' apartment building in a half century. Any larger apartment complexes are housing projects, which have smaller units by definition, and, allowing for the dispersal of the towers in some International Style fantasy also insures that the density does not increase much. Posted by: 99 on December 5, 2005 04:03 PM #22 Felix, just because apartments are currently going for $1.21 million a pop doesn't mean that everyone who owns an apartment paid that much. Rent prices move in sympathy with real estate prices but are less prone to bubbles. What you're missing here, and you've missed the same thing when we've talked about the stock market in the past, is the difference between speculative investors and income investors. Speculators don't buy an apartment (or apartment building) primarily for the benefit of the rent; their main motivation is the hope of flipping the property at some later date for a larger sum than they paid for it. The current Manhattan real estate bubble is the product of speculators. Real estate income investors view rent collection as their goal - most apartment buildings in any town or city in the U.S. are owned by income investors. They get less press than speculators, but they also tend to go bankrupt less often. The market value of a rental property can be determined by the amount of rent it generates for the owner, not the other way around. Manhattan rents are high - probably even ludicrously high - but that is a function of large demand chasing relatively low supply, and is only weakly related to current real estate prices. I do acknowledge your point about space not being a priority for Manhattan renters, there is some truth in that. People who do see space as a necessity tend to wind up in rental units in Brooklyn, Queens or Hudson County. But that's not exclusively the case. Posted by: Sterling on December 5, 2005 04:59 PM #23 This thread is hilarious and sad, although a good example of how the same statistics can be applied to support any and all political positions. Posted by: sac on December 5, 2005 06:39 PM #24 Sterling, Manhattan is the one real-estate market in the US where there are, to all intents and purposes, zero speculators under your definition. No one buys Manhattan property in order to flip it. For one thing, co-op boards (and even condo boards, for that matter) hate flippers, and are likely to punish them. There's flip taxes, brokers' fees of 6% for the seller, and a luxury tax of 1% on any apartment over $1m for the buyer. Prices are so high that the carrying costs are enormous -- and you can't rent out the apartment in the meantime, because that makes it pretty much unsaleable. There are, of course, lots of buildings owned by income investors in New York. Most of the East Village, where I live, is comprised of such buildings: they normally have 20 or so apartments (say 5 floors, 4 apartments per floor), and they've been going up in price almost as much as individual apartments have -- the only reason they haven't gone up just as much is because many of the tenants are rent-controlled or rent-stabilised below market. These are typical New York apartments, from a renter's point of view -- but I can tell you, as someone who was apartment hunting in the East Village for almost a year, they're much less typical from an owner's point of view. Also, there's a strong incentive for for-sale apartments to be as large as possible: price per square foot is positively correlated with size. That's not the case in the rental market: it's easier to rent out a 650sqft apartment for $2500 than it is to rent out a 1300sqft apartment for $5000. Posted by: Felix on December 5, 2005 09:14 PM #25 "Manhattan is the one real-estate market in the US where there are, to all intents and purposes, zero speculators under your definition. No one buys Manhattan property in order to flip it." Felix, of course people speculate on property in Manhattan. Just because the barriers to entry are high doesn't mean some won't jump them. How else do you think a modest apartment winds up costing as much as a dozen Mercedes-Benz CL500s? Who do you imagine is providing demand at that level? You know banks are not issuing $1,000,000 mortgages to households with joint incomes of $200,000. It's trust fund kiddies - who are often divorced from fiscal reality - and speculators. As for your point about different-sized apartments being suitable for rent versus sale, I might agree with you except for the fact that every rental apartment IS OWNED by someone. It IS PART of the for sale market. I'd be surprised if fewer than half of the condos in Manhattan are rented out by their owners. Posted by: Sterling on December 6, 2005 01:51 AM #26 Sterling, I'm afraid the factors leading to high apartment prices are much more mundane than your feverish mind would like to imagine. Lots of global liquidity, driving down interest rates and banks' credit tests. Lots of demand, due to Manhattan's status as the center of the universe and high Wall Street bonuses. And very limited supply. The market for flippers is Miami, not NYC -- where a condo can be bought and sold three or four times before it is even built. As for your point about rental apartments being owned by someone, it sounds clever until you stop to think about what I've already said. Rental buildings are owned by landlords; the vast majority of condos and co-ops are owner-occupied. For one thing, co-ops vastly outnumber condos, and they're hard to rent. And as for condos, they generally get rented out when they're not the place their owner really wants to live. Given how valuable they are, few owners who don't want to live here would rather rent out their condos rather than simply sell them. Take my East Village condo building, for instance: when it went condo in 1983, only one owner lived here. Today, all the units bar one are owner-occupied. I haven't done my homework on this, but I'll happily accept your wager: I'll bet the standard bottle of vintage champagne that more than half the condos in Manhattan are owner-occupied. Deal? Posted by: Felix on December 6, 2005 02:43 AM #27 If you go double or nothing on the proposition that the amount of existing residential floor space in Manhattan divided by the number of residents of Manhattan is equal to or greater than 600 sq. ft., then it's a bet. How are we going to research this? FWIW, I am descended from a man who is reputed to be the first person to negotiate a real estate deal in New York: Wessel Wesselse (ten Broek). He may have been the man to offer 60 guilders (often misreported as $24) as the purchase price of Manhattan from the Canarsies. (Technically the Canarsies didn't own Manhattan Island - it's not for nothing that "Canarsie" is in Brooklyn. Also technically the Dutch West India Company didn't care which tribe owned it. It just needed some bunch of natives to smile and sign off on the deal to keep the English away.) This of course conveys no special knowledge upon me, but it certainly adds a humorous subtext to our disagreement. Posted by: Sterling on December 6, 2005 04:14 AM #28 I'm not sure about the terms of the wager: we seem to be betting on two different things at the same time. But spell it out, and I'll be amenable. I do want to ensure, of course, that hallways and elevator shafts and the like do not count as residential floor space. And please also ensure that if one of the propositions can be determined while the other one can't, then the other wager still stands. Posted by: Felix on December 6, 2005 05:55 AM #29 I'm not sure how we could specify the terms to exclude elevators if they are included in filings. However, it occurs to me that Manhattan Borough probably requires a statement of total dwelling space for its Certificate of Occupancy, so that would work for me. And no, I think double or nothing sounds good to me, especially since we will be attempting to falsify two of my estimations, rather than either of yours. Posted by: Sterling on December 6, 2005 06:20 AM #30 You've lost me, I'm afraid. When you say "double or nothing", are you proposing a 2BVC bet on the residential floor space, and no bet at all on the proportion of condos which are rented out? Or what? It makes no sense to me: "double or nothing" normally happens after A has lost a bet and B has won it. Then going double or nothing means that either B wins double the original amount, or he wins nothing. You essentially run the bet over again. Are you maybe trying to propose something whereby if I lose I lose 2BVCs, and if I win I win nothing? Posted by: Felix on December 6, 2005 07:44 AM #31 Are you trying to squirm out of it? Posted by: Sterling on December 6, 2005 06:03 PM #32 Sterling, will you propose your bet already? I've already said that I'm likely to accept. Just tell me the terms! Posted by: Felix on December 6, 2005 06:12 PM #33 I did! Posted by: Sterling on December 6, 2005 06:25 PM #34 OK, have a few moments now, I had to get someplace before 2pm and the roads are crap with snow and slush. Um, OK. My terms for the bet is those two things specified, avg. sq. footage = 600 and = 50% of condos. Either side has to get both right to collect. gotta run Posted by: Sterling on December 6, 2005 06:51 PM #35 So if one of us gets both right, he wins 1BVC or 2BVCs? And if one of the two turns out to be unverifiable, then it's a wash? Posted by: Felix on December 6, 2005 07:22 PM #36 Honestly, Felix, I doubt either number is verifiable. Like I wrote above, the city appears to track residential rental inventory by units, rather than by square footage. Also, most owners of condominium units who rent them out do so through agents - even the tenant may be only vaguely aware of the legal status of the unit. In NJ I don't think an individual condo owner even needs to report the unit as a rental property if it's in a building that's already inspected under multi-family housing regulations (or if it's a standalone unit or duplex). The rent revenue has to be reported as taxable income, naturallly, but not to any entity with housing oversight. So make it for one bottle and yes both figures have to be verifiable. That said, if either of us can show a grouping of not-completely-conclusive figures from multiple sources that seem reasonable and fall long or short of my guesses by ten percent or more, then I think we should accept them. (Of course, I have arguably already met this condition with my square footage prediction, and Geoff's calculations don't contradict it under the 10% rule I suggest.) Posted by: Sterling on December 6, 2005 10:05 PM #37 as i mentioned earlier, you can get the sf and unit count for every residential tax lot in the city from the cities web site... google 'bytes of the big apple' and look at the 'pluto' product. the license fee is $250 or you can get the info from propertyshark.com. there are 99000+ listings for manhattan. at 100 listings per page, thats a lot of cutting and pasting into excel. both of these will give you tax lot sizes (whole buildings/unit count or condo unit), which will be inclusive of common area. 10-15% is considered a fairly standard deduction for circulation. mechanical space is not included in the floor area count. happy dueling Posted by: geoff on December 6, 2005 10:29 PM Post a comment Name: Email Address: URL: Remember personal info? Yes No Anti-spam question: Share four cupcakes equally among four people. How many does each person get (in digits)? 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(7) Comments 06/12: geoff: as i mentioned earlier, you can get the sf and unit count for every residential tax lot in the ci 06/12: Sterling: Honestly, Felix, I doubt either number is verifiable. Like I wrote above, the city appears to tr 06/12: Felix: So if one of us gets both right, he wins 1BVC or 2BVCs? And if one of the two turns out to be unv 06/12: Sterling: OK, have a few moments now, I had to get someplace before 2pm and the roads are crap with snow an 06/12: Sterling: I did! 06/12: Felix: Sterling, will you propose your bet already? I've already said that I'm likely to accept. Just te 06/12: Sterling: Are you trying to squirm out of it? 06/12: Felix: You've lost me, I'm afraid. When you say "double or nothing", are you proposing a 2BVC bet on the 06/12: Sterling: I'm not sure how we could specify the terms to exclude elevators if they are included in filings. 06/12: Felix: I'm not sure about the terms of the wager: we seem to be betting on two different things at the s 06/12: Sterling: If you go double or nothing on the proposition that the amount of existing residential floor spac 06/12: Felix: Sterling, I'm afraid the factors leading to high apartment prices are much more mundane than your 06/12: Sterling: "Manhattan is the one real-estate market in the US where there are, to all intents and purposes, 05/12: Felix: Sterling, Manhattan is the one real-estate market in the US where there are, to all intents and p 05/12: sac: This thread is hilarious and sad, although a good example of how the same statistics can be appli 05/12: Sterling: Felix, just because apartments are currently going for $1.21 million a pop doesn't mean that ever 05/12: 99: There's the shark, and then there's the A train. Sterling's Manhattan clearly stops at 96th stree 05/12: Felix: Renter-occupied apartments are much smaller than owner-occupied apartments. And as the < 05/12: Sterling: Geoff - The only reason I was pompously snug is because Felix had reacted to to my estimates with 05/12: geoff: if anyone is real curious why not pony up the $250 to get a list of every tax lot in the city?<br 04/12: Sterling: The multiplier of 4 was back-of-envelope guess. The 280,000,000 number came from <a href 04/12: Felix: Where does your 280m sq ft number come from? Your first two calculations are based on it, so I'd 04/12: 99: Sterling: do your calculations include infrastructure or is the 280MM number a percentage of raw 04/12: Sterling: I've tried to find the statistic, but to no avail. It seems that while office space inventor is 04/12: Sterling: My claim is that the amount of residential-zoned floor space in Manhattan probably works out to b 04/12: Felix: Sterling jumped the shark so long ago it's probably not surprising, but for those of you keeping 04/12: Sterling: OK, 22 square miles equals about 613,324,800 square feet. That would leave each of Manhattan's 1 03/12: Felix: OK, Sterling, let's do it your way. Assume that each of the 1.5 million residents of Manhattan ha 03/12: Sterling: I don't think I'm confused. My points are: a) there is actually quite a bit more than 22 02/12: Andrew: Susan and Sterling, you are embarassingly confused. What percentage of real estate in Manhattan i Trackbacks

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We do not encourage this as this not only causes confusion but often upsets all parties concerned - the agents, landlords, and ultimately the tenants themselves. You may choose not to use any of our recommended agents, but if you do, kindly cooperate and be considerate to these service professionals. Thank you. For any queries and/or assistance with viewing of any of the properties, including many more not listed here, please contact us Telephone : 65 - 6226 6062 If you are interested in advertising on our site, please Email us for rates and details. ***** Holland Road houses for rent Nice and quiet neighbourhood. Off Holland Road and very close to Holland Village. 1. 2-storey semi-detached. Newly renovated. Land size 4,800 sqft; built-in 2,800 sqft. 4+1 bedrooms. Asking S$5,000. Immediate. 2. Single storey bungalow. Charming. A little old-world style. Huge garden. Land size about 8,600 sqft; built-in 2,500 sqft. 4+1. Asking S$8,000. Immediate. 3. Off Grange Road. Very convenient to Orchard Road. Modern 3-storey semi-detached. Land size 2,200 sqft; built-up 3,000 sqft. 4+1+1. Asking S$7,000.00. Immediate. Enquiries and viewing appointments : please call (+65) - 6226 6062 or Email us Bungalows near American school 3 Unit Bungalows with Swimming Pools For Rent in the American School vicinity - yes, walk to and from school! 1. 2 units Classic-Styled Bungalow dwellings. 2. 1 unit Modern design, brand new Bungalow. Location : Right by the American School. Description. a) Approximately 8,000 sqft plot; 8000 sqft built-up for the 2 units Classic designed bungalows, with in-ground swimming pool. b) Modern brand new unit is about 11,500 sqft plot, 5,700 sqft built-up, with in-ground pool. All houses well fitted out, fully air-conditioned, cabled. 3. Price : a) Classic designs : S$13,000 per month; b) Modern design : S$16,500 per month. 4. Availability : Immediately. Please Email us or call (+65) 6226 6062. House near American / Canadian school Location : Upper Bukit Timah, in quiet residential neighbourhood. Conveniently located near shopping mall, banks, food places and French School. Description : Plot Size 7000 sqft; Built-up 4400 sqft. 4+1 rooms, with huge garden (front and back). Newly and completely renovated, like new. Asking : S$6,000.00 pm, partially furnished. Availability : Immediately. Contact: Email us or call 65-6226 6062. East Coast semi-detached house Location : Siglap, East Coast. Very convenient to city centre. Close to amenities and beach. Description : Beautiful 2-storey semi-detached house with garden. 3+1 rooms, Plot size : 2800 sqft; Built-Up space : 4,000 sqft. (Lots of space!) Asking : S$5,000.00 pm negotiable. Availability : Immediately. Contact: Email us or call 65-6226 6062. Huge East Coast townhouse for rent Location : Brand new townhouse in East Coast, right by the Tanah Merah MRT (4 minutes from condo entrance!). Description : 4 levels, 4 bedroooms, 2800 sqft of space! 2 covered basement car-park lots. Partially furnished but property comes with many electrical appliances eg overhead projector with home entertainment system, huge television set. Asking : S$3,500.00 pm negotiable. Availability : Immediately. Contact: Email us or call 65-6226 6062. Conservation shophouse: home and office One of only 5,000 units in all of Singapore. Full of History; built during Singapore's early founding days. Houses for rent: conservation shophouse, Balinese-style terrace house 1. Emerald Hill 3-storey, fully restored shophouse with roof terrace and car porch. 4 + 1. Very rarely available. Built-in: 5,000 sqft Rent: Asking S$16,000 2. Makepeace Road Beautifully landscaped, Balinese design, corner terrace house. 3 + 1 + 1 with gazebo. Charming. Land: 3,300 sqft Built-in: 3,400 sqft Rent: Asking S$9,000 These properties are available immediately. Please email Email us or phone 62266062 for further information. ***** More houses for rent 1. Bukit Timah Nature Reserve a) 3-storey semi-detached house. 4 + 1, pool. Brand new. Land: 2,220 sqft Built-in: 3,000 sqft Rent: Asking S$10,000 b) 3-storey detached bungalow. 5 + 1, pool. Brand new. Land: 4,400 sqft Built-in: 5,150 sqft Rent: Asking S$15,000 2. Kheam Hock Road, off Bukit Timah 2.5-storey bungalow, 6 + 1, pool. Rent: Asking S$15,000 3. Thomson Road a) Huge bungalow, Windsor Park. 5 + 1, pool. Land: 25,000 sqft Built-in: 7,000 sqft Rent: Asking S$28,000 b) Semi-detached, Springleaf Garden. 4 + 1. Land: 3,600 sqft Built-in: 2,800 sqft Rent: Asking S$4,500 These properties are available immediately. Please email Email us or phone 62266062 for further information. ***** Bungalows, semi-detached and terrace houses for rent 1. Gallop Road - bungalow Land: 15,000 sqft Built-in: 5,000 sqft 4 + 3, pool, beautiful garden. Rent: Asking S$15,000 2. Leedon Park - bungalow Land: 20,000 sqft Built-in: 11,000 sqft 6 + 2, pool, huge mature garden. Rent: Asking S$30,000 3. Andrew Road - bungalows (2 units) Land: 17,000 / 13,000 sqft Built-in: 5,000 sqft Both houses come with outhouse, patio and garden. Rent: Asking S$15,000 / S$11,000 4. American School vicinity, walk to school! a) Bungalows for rent with pool, 5 + 1. Land: 11,000 sqft Built-in: 5,000 sqft Rent: Asking S$13,000 b) Terrace houses for rent, 4 + 1. Land: 2,000 - 3,200 sqft Built-in: 3,000 - 3,700 sqft Rent: Asking S$5,500 - S$7,000 5. Sunset Drive (off Holland Village / Bukit Timah) Land: 6,750 sqft Built-in: 5,600 sqft 4 + 1, with pool. Rent: Asking S$11,000 6. Bukit Timah (2 units) a) Semi-detached house, brand new. 4 +1. Land: 4,400 sqft Built-in: 3,500 sqft Rent: Asking S$7,500 b) Bungalow, 4 + 3. Land: 10,000 sqft Built-in: 5,500 sqft Rent: Asking S$11,000 These properties are available immediately. Please email Email us or phone 62266062 for further information. ***** West Coast bungalow for rent Description: 11,500 sqft bungalow on hilltop. 4 + 1 bedrooms plus 3 bathrooms, swimming pool (regularly maintained) and patio. Fully furnished. Location: Pasir Panjang, West Coast Availability: Immediate Rent: Asking S$5,500 Contact: 62266062 or Email us ***** Bungalow House for Rent Almost new, beautiful 3-storey bungalow house, 6+1 rooms with built-in wardrobes, 4 bathrooms, high ceiling living hall (7m), 2 jacuzzi bathtubs. Big masterbedroom. Approx. 5000 sq.ft with aboveground pool. Located in bungalow zone, 50m away from quiet playground, walking distance to East Coast Park, 400m from Kembangan MRT. Price : Asking $11K, partially furnished. Available now. Contact : email us or 62266 062 ***** House for rent at Woodgrove View, Century Woods, next to American school Location: Woodgrove View, Century Woods. 1 minute walk to American school. Large American Community. MRT station and Supermarket within walking distance. Price: S$5,500 Size: 3,200 sq ft built-in, small garden in the front yard. 5 airy bedrooms plus family room with high ceiling. Features: 3 Storey Corner Terrace House. Brand new, fully aircon and partially furnished. Quality finish. Availability: Immediate. Contact: Email us or at (+65) 6226 6062. ***** The Best of Century Woods Phase 2 Location : Woodgrove Walk (adjacent to Singapore American School). Just 1 minute walk to American School. Large and friendly American community. Price : S$7,500 per month. Size: 5 bedrooms plus 1 maid's room plus extra family room. Built in spacious 3,400 sq ft. Features: Brand new 3-storey corner terrace. High ceiling with unique alcove design (not standard feature to all units). Fully air-conditioned. Beautiful garden. Autogate. Morning sun. Partially furnished. Availability: Immediate Contact: Tel: 6226 6062 or email: email us ***** House for rent at Woodgrove View at Century Woods Location: Woodgrove View, Century Woods. Next to American School in Woodlands. Large American Community. Price : S$7.000 Size: Cosy 5 bedrooms plus family room and courtyard. Built in 3,200 sq ft. Features: Intermediate 3 Storey Terrace House. Brand new, fully aircon and partially furnished. Availability : Immediate. Contact: 6226 6062 or email Email us ***** House for rent: a life of luxury awaits you Location : Brandt New 4 Storey Cluster House with full condo facilities and 24 hours security, located 5 mins away from Tanah Merah MRT station, 10 mins to Bugis Junction & City Hall where the Central Business District offers the most cosmopolitan lifestyle. Ideal for nature lovers as is only 5 min drive to East Coast Beach where the famous "Lagoon Seafood Centre" is located. Description : Fully Furnished with five designer bedrooms with full panel of wardrobes, IDD line, SCV, night table with lamps. Master bedroom & living facing swimming pool & greenery. One large living/dinning area & one basement family hall. 2 patios, and 1 large veranda, 1 utility room, 1 store room & washer. See Photos Size : 3,000 sq ft. Price : S$ 4,000.00 per month Available : Immediate Contact : 6226 6062 or email at Email us ***** The following houses were advertised here and rented. They have been placed here so readers know what kind of accommodation Singapore offers. ***** House for rent at Holland Grove Location : Holland Grove vicinity single storey semi-detached, 10 minute walk to Henry Park Primary School and Jelita Cold Storage. Quiet residential area Price : S$5,000 per month. Size: Land 4,069 sq. ft. Built in approx. 2,300 sq ft. Features: Car porch, large living and dining, study, kitchen, 3 bedrooms. Fully air-conditioned. Autogate. Mature garden. Partially furnished. See Photos Availability: Taken Contact: 6226 6062 or Email us ***** House for rent off Grange Road Location : Jalan Kelawar (off One Tree Hill), 3 min from Orchard Road. Description : 3 bedroom, 2 story house, front garden with 2 fish ponds, outhouse, BBQ. Price : S$6800 per month negociable. Availability : Taken Contact : 6226 6062 or email at Email us ***** Semi-Detached House at Siglap Description : Modern and well constructed house in the East Coast for rent. Clean lines, functionally laid out, bright and spacious. There are 5 + 1 + 1 rooms. Fully equipped kitchen with all the appliances to make it your home. Location : Off Siglap Road. 10 minutes by car to CBD Price : S$5,500.00 per month Size : Approx 3,600 sq ft land ; 4,200 sq ft built-in. Availability : Taken ***** House For Rent at Garlick Avenue Location : Bukit Timah vicinity, double storey bungalow house with swimming pool in one of Singapore's finest residential areas. Quiet neighbourhood. 10 mins drive to Orchard Road. Land area : 10,475 sq ft Built-in : 3,853 sq ft Rooms: 4 rooms with attached bathroom Features : High celing, fully air-conditioned. Well kept garden. Partially furnished. See Photos Price : $ 8,000 per month, negotiable. Availability : Taken ***** House for rent at East Coast Location : East Coast vicinity, 3 storey S/Detached, 5 mins to airport, 15 mins to city centre, Quiet neighbourhood. Price : S$5500 per month, negotiable depending what is needed. Size : Built-in 3111 ft2. Features : Large living & dining, Very large master bedroom + 4 bedrooms + 1 maid's room, 6 toilets, Fully air-con, Full kitchen, Car porch, Autogates, Alarm system, Wardrobes Available : Taken ***** 29 Kelulut Hill Location : 29 Kelulut Hill, Off Seletar Hills Type : 2-Storey Intermediate Terrace House Price : S$3,500 /pm (negotiable) with partial furnishings Size : Land: 1,884 sqft / Built-in: 2,151 sqft Features : 4 Bedrooms + 4 En-Suite Bathrooms; Maid's room; Brand New; Autogate; cul-de-sac. Quiet residential area; yet walking distance to shops and amenities. Photos available Availability : Taken No 36, Jalan Merah Saga Location : No 36, Jalan Merah Saga Singapore 278111 Type : 2 storey semi-detached house Price : S$15,000 /pm (negotiable) with partial furnishings Size : Land: 3770 sqft / Built-In: 2500 sqft Features : 5 Bedrooms + 3 Bathrooms + Huge Dining Room Photos available Availability : Taken 31 Nim Green Location: 31 Nim Green, Off Seletar Hills Type : 2-Storey Semi-Detached Price : S$3,500 /pm (negotiable) with partial furnishings Size : Land: 4500 sqft / Built-in: 3520 sqft Features : 3 Bedrooms + 3 Bathrooms + 1 Store-room Photos available Availability : Taken House Also For Sale At S$2.5 million 75 Neram Road Location: 75 Neram Road, Off Seletar Hills, (Near American School) Type : Brand New 2 1/2 Storey Detached Bungalow Price : S$15,000 /pm (negotiable) with partial furnishings Size : Land: 6000 sqft / Built-in: 5500 sqft Features : 6 Bedrooms + 5 Bathrooms + 1 Study-Room + 1 Store-Room + Huge Attic Photos + Floor Plan available Availability : Taken Back to Products and Services About Us | Advertise With Us | Email Us | Missing Links | Register | Search General Info | Getting Here | Starting Up | Once You're Here | Enjoying Singapore | Eating in Singapore | Message Board | FAQs | Products & Services | Links ExpatSingapore Jurong West Post Office P.O. 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